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You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. Thread starter AndrewCrampton Start date Nov 4, AndrewCrampton New Member. Which is better, 3 valve or 4? Also what is the best baritone you've ever played on? Thirteen Ball Active Member. I have to say I don't see the point of four-valve baritones. Mainly because the four-valve versions seem to incorporate a wider bore, which makes them sound more euphonium-like and ruins the bridging position the instrument occupies at the bottom end of the horn section.
So you are forced into using the fourth or the C-sharp and D will be very sharp. My girlfriend plays on a fairly recent Sov at the moment which, though it is the ubiquitous 'vanilla ice-cream" of all band instrument selections, is strong in all registers and has held it's finish well - despite the regular inattention it has received as regards maintenance! I've heard good things about Geneva baritones too. Swoboda has toured the United States and Europe presenting concerts, master classes, and school residencies.
As a former member of the Arizona Commission for the Arts, Indiana Young Audiences and Oregon Young Audiences Deanna continues performing educational music assemblies and school residencies respectively. The main difference is the bore size. The euphonium is conical the tubing gradually gets bigger from the mouthpiece to the bell and the baritone is cylindrical it maintains a consistent bore size throughout the major portion of the instrument which means it has a brighter sound.
The baritone instrument is considered a small bore instrument. It is pitched in BBb and typically has three valves. It is a traditional instrument of the British brass band. The euphonium has a larger bore and is conical and has a darker sound. Euphoniums will have three or four valves. The tuba and euphonium are considered conical instruments. They produce a more mellow tone quality. The fourth valve positioned on the side of the instrument , in addition to the extra tubing makes it possible to play chromatic notes between the first and second partials.
It also makes for much better intonation overall. On a non-compensating instrument, you would not be able to play the same fingering for that low Db. Also with a compensating instrument, you can now play the low B natural using 1, 2, 3, 4.
With a compensating instrument you get better intonation, all of the chromatic notes from low to high and better fingering combinations. If you are going to purchase a euphonium, make sure you at least buy one with four valves whether compensating or non-compensating. The euphonium with four valves is far superior to a three-valved instrument because it allows for better intonation.
I can play that same fundamental on a baroque trumpet crooked to Bb 9-foot sounding length , and, comparatively, it's bore is much smaller, and so is the mouthpiece. Mouthpiece cup shape and size, and bore shape and size, might make it easier or more difficult, but it doesn't preclude the fundamental being played. In fact, you can get the fundamental on any lip-vibrated aerophone merely by tapping the mouthpiece with the palm of your hand!
Also -- let's add the "North American" terminology into the discussion -- What about the tenor horn? Even narrower bore than the baritone. And many old band parts just say "baritone" meaning whatever plays in that range. Another misconception - Tubas are also saxhorns, and all saxhorns are flugelhorns meaning more or less conical in bore shape. Here are more terms to define or maybe NOT! I have many instruments in my collection in the 9-foot and foot range and in between that would defy being pigeonholed into anyone's preset terminology.
I have a right-shouldered but still right handed for valves helicon, a baritone Centennial horn which might be classed as a valved bass trombone , and German Band instruments in oval shape with small and large bores.
The original name for a double belled euphonium was the doublophone and it was classed as a euphonium and valve trombone in one instrument. I played it today at our Tuba Christmas concert and got brighter sounds from the small bell, and darker sounds from the big bell. It is a York, and it would probably be termed a baritone by the pigeonholers. I also have Bueschers and Conns with 4 and 5 valves, with otherwise identical bore shapes and diameters, and additional DB euphs by other makers.
So let's just make music on the things, and stop arguing about terminology but let's get the acoustic facts correct. Just my two cents, from a guy with instruments, who plays in vintage brass bands, and leads the Plumbing Factory Brass Band in London Canada. Baritones in a typical British heritage brass band as here in Australia are Cylindrical bore in the same manner that trumpets as opposed to cornets and trombones are, while Euphoniums are conical bore. Baritones are also generally smaller than Euphoniums allowing them to have a high range for the average player.
Having said all of that, I'm a firm believer that Euphoniums produce a much nicer sound in the ensemble on the baritone parts if the player is up to it. This has to do with the sound-formants around Hz. The 'broad-warm' couloring of tone is well accepted in windbands, but now-way in the Symphony- opera orchestra's in the 'pit' underneath forwards the podium.
This is also the reason, why Giuseppe Verdi together with Atelier Giuseppe Peletti Milan ultimately developed a so called 'trombone basso "Verdi" This is a BBb Contrabass-valve trombone -very- narrow mensured long Cylindric chort conic, likewise each Trombone.
All these 'bass-horns' were developed out from the bass-valve horns like 'Serpents d'L'Eglise, and 'Ophicleide's sur-named 'C'im-basso Corno in Basso wereupon the name 'Cimbasso' is derivated nowadays. The differences between a Baritone and a Euphonium is that a baritone is the same size tubing until the very end, then it gets wider. A euphonium gradually gets bigger throughout the horn.
If an instrument has four valves, it is usually a euphonium. Hank got it right. Comparing a baritone horn and a euphonium is similar to comparing a trumpet and cornet, the trumpet being relatively cylindrical, a fad the cornet conical.
Both baritones and euphoniums may have 3, 4, or 5 valves. I once had a Conn 5 valve, double bell instrument, from the early 's, which was a baritone horn, smaller bore, smaller bell, shorter in height, and relatively more cylindrical, than Conn's double bell euphoniums of the same period. The difference in appearance is obvious and the Conn case for the baritone was about an inch shorter, and too small for a euphonium. This encourages good breath support and efficient practice.
Valve oil is necessary in keeping the valve pistons ready for use. It is best to make sure the valves are oiled every day. Just like oil for cars, there are regular and synthetic types of oils. Slide grease is an important tool for making sure the tuning slides can move freely when they need to be adjusted.
It needs to only be used around once a month, and one container should last quite a while. This is necessary for keeping the mouthpiece clean of any build-up. The mouthpiece should be brushed out every week and one brush should last for a long time. The cleaning snake is used for cleaning the twists and turns inside the instrument.
One is necessary for in-home cleaning which is recommended once every six months. A metronome is an essential tool for helping students stay in rhythm.
Many metronomes you can find are also coupled with a chromatic tuner, which helps students keep their instruments in tune and to develop a sense of pitch. These are not included in the starter pack.
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